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Is the intention here to support dot product as a packed-SIMD style operation, or an application of FMA?
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Upon reading the rest of the spec, it seems like this is intended to be used in packed-SIMD style ops. The spec should probably also define other operations on multiple packed BF16 operands (at least a note on how to load/store them - probably using standard FLW/FLD?) and how this is intended to work in general; I assume it's useful to to think about this for all operations, since just using 16 bits of a 32 or 64 bit register seems a bit wasteful.
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Yes, the intention is for dot product operations, as that is what BF16 is usually used for. It was requested that we start with the base and then we can move on to operations. I anticipate that these operations will be most useful in Vector.
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I think you got these switched around: BF16 is the same as FP32, but with 16 fewer fraction bits: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/bfloat16-the-secret-to-high-performance-on-cloud-tpus
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You are correct. Somehow I swapped them.
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FP32 only has 8 exponent bits, not 9 - as it's written now the sum of bits would be 33.
There is an implied
1
bit in there so technically you get the effect of 33 bits, but that goes into the fraction 🙂There was a problem hiding this comment.
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Thanks for catching the typo. I will fix.
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Does this mean we intend to have a static rounding mode force to RNE by default and only allow rounding-mode static (opcode) or dynamic (csr) selection on a specific subset of instructions ? This seems to be in contradiction with F and D extensions and should be justified here IMHO.
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Yes, these instructions would have a static rounding mode that is not overridable. Yes, this is different from '754. However, it is a common simplification (just like flushing subnormals). If someone needs more control over the rounding mode they can run in SP (F).
I agree that we will need to provide a detailed justification in the specification for this simplification.
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This formulation may not be future proof, we may want to cite explicitly the basic floating-point extensions here.
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Which area are concerned about: the rounding mode, default exception handling, or both?
Should the need arise, an extension could be added that allows the rounding mode to be changed by the CSR.
The handling of exceptions via the IEEE default is common across RISC-V. Is this what you mean about citing the basic floating-point extensions?
At some point there might be a TG that creates trapped exceptions for FP instructions - but right now only default is supported.
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I am concerned that another floating-point extension may be introduced with a different way of managing FP exception flags, making "as all other floating-point instructions ..." missleading. So mentioning explicitly that we intend to managed them as extension F and D (and Q), clarifies things if such an extension should appear at some point. I agree that the use of such remark may be limited.
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does better means accuracte here ?
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Yes, it does. I will clarify and elaborate (a little). Also, thanks for catching the typos.
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We could even add than one BFloat16 multiply can be done with less logic than one FP16 (mostly due to multiplier area gains)