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Collective Governance #254

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chrisn opened this issue Apr 21, 2023 · 6 comments
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Collective Governance #254

chrisn opened this issue Apr 21, 2023 · 6 comments

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chrisn commented Apr 21, 2023

In section 1.2 Collective Governance, in the final paragraph, "Collecting data at large scales" should be "Collecting data at large scale".

Also, this paragraph could use some citations or examples to support the points being made (pro-social outcomes and bankrolling)

FInally, the "self-dealing" link in this paragraph goes to a definition that frames self-dealing as specific to user agents. But IIUC the context of this paragraph is data collection in a broader sense, so not limited to user agents, so would need to refer to a broader definition.

@jyasskin jyasskin added the wide review comments that came out of wide review label Apr 21, 2023
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chrisn commented Apr 21, 2023

Following up on this, section 1.3 says "Loyalty is the avoidance of self-dealing". Conceivably, the UA could be sending data to parties other than the UA implementer. This would also be disloyal, but is currently excluded by your current definition of self-dealing.

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npdoty commented Apr 26, 2023

Self-dealing is currently defined broadly to include benefiting other actors, not just the UA implementer:

When a user agent carries out processing that is not in the person's interest but instead benefits another actor (such as the user agent's implementer) that behaviour is known as self-dealing.

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And #241 discusses some problems with our current definitions of loyalty and self-dealing.

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torgo commented Apr 26, 2023

We all agreed it would be good to have an additional citation. We'll keep looking for one.

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jyasskin commented Jun 21, 2023

We fixed the use of "self-dealing" in #269. I'm not sure "large scales" -> "large scale" is right: there's more than one scale that's "large", but I don't care much. More citations are always good, but I'm inclined to prioritize that below the other issues and possibly try to publish the document before we've found one. So I suggest label:backburner.

@torgo torgo added backburner and removed wide review comments that came out of wide review labels Jun 21, 2023
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chrisn commented Jun 22, 2023

Reading "at large scales" made me pause as it's seems a less common phrasing than "at large scale" but I also am not too concerned.

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