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TAG review for web app scope_extensions
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The link to the security review needs updating: https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/scope_extensions-security-privacy-questionnaire.md |
Hi @diekus – Thanks for sending us this. Briefly, we're concerned about the way that this proposal changes the same-origin model, which is a fundamental part of the security apparatus of the web. Hence we think we need to tread very carefully. We think the explainer should be very explicit about what the expanded scope does and does not allow access to. We'd also like to see some specific use cases and discussion of abuse cases (and how those abuse cases are mitigated). E.g. if you are tricked into visiting or downloading a malicious app that is spoofing your bank, and it includes your bank's origin in its scope_extensions field, are there additional exploits that the malicious party could exploit (e.g. obtaining credentials or capturing links)? Are there any implications for access to local storage from different origins? |
@torgo Discussed with @diekus and below are our thoughts. I'll organize the important parts and add to the explainer. Thanks for your feedback.
To prevent spoofing attacks, the implementation in Chromium will flash the web origin of the content in the window title bar after every top level navigation. The origin information will also be visible in the app's main menu. If the user is tricked into visiting or installing a malicious app that is spoofing my bank
To use scope_extensions, the owner of the app should either also directly own/control the listed origins in scope_extensions or monitor them closely if working by agreement with parties that own them. Browser security tools such as Microsoft Defender SmartScreen should still identify unsafe origins that are navigated to from the app window. |
Hi, we discussed the issue during our breakout today. |
The apple-app-site-association file used by Universal Links references apps by an appID string of the format assetlinks.json, used by Android App Links, refers to apps by an app id and SHA256 fingerprints of the app's signing certificate. [2] Use of a unique app id [3] should be sufficient evidence that the added origins are agreeing to being embedded in that uniquely identified web app. In the scenario where the app is signed or delivered as an immutable package, use of a cryptographic hash would be useful to further specify that the association is only valid when the app is unchanged. Being able to specify that the app remain unchanged doesn't seem like a useful feature for web apps with frequently changing content served through the web. One scenario we should consider: if the web app is taken over by another party which does not have access to the original signing certificate, they would be unable to modify the app and produce cryptographic evidence matching the original - thus the origin association would become invalid. The dominant method of delivery of web apps is over the web and managed by a browser without signing or packaging/bundling. Referencing web apps by unique app id is an acceptable solution that doesn't significantly complicate the steps developers need to take to set up the association. To mitigate app takeover issues (where app ownership changes), we recommend that the web app and associated origins are owned and controlled by the same entity. Failing that, both the app and associated origins are advised to monitor ownership and condition of their counterparty. [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/supporting-associated-domains |
Is it sufficient that the added origin explicitly grants the web app permission in a file hosted on the origin served over HTTPS? |
In the case of apps, the verification of app links is done by the store owner, in the case of a web app, you need to have verification done in another way. This is similar to the origin issue in MiniApps Having something hosted on the origin server might work, but it would require network access.
controlled in legal term (in which jurisdiction?) or in technical terms (as same hosting) |
Controlled in practical terms - as it requires some level of control over the domain to be able to add /.well-known/ configuration. What's an appropriate way to phrase that in spec language? |
Well, the site has to agree that a web app can impersonate its content, so it is more than putting one file and be done (as other web apps could rely on its presence and do the same), there need to be something along the line of what is done in the ACME protocol, or else, in the case of offline web apps, a way to check this offline. |
The site identifies a particular web app to associate with via the web app's manifest id, other web apps will be excluded by this.
Does "offline" mean offline at all stages even during installation? A fully offline web app should probably be built as an IWA rather than use any HTTPS. |
Hi @LuHuangMSFT - following on from what @martinthomson said above: as noted we are fine with the user need and we are generally fine with the design. @reillyeon has suggested a CORS or CORS-like approach. Whilst that has some advantages (in particular, not requiring a new well-known located file) it also has the disadvantage of requiring complex server configuration. Our main concern stands, however, that the Association file should allow for more specifying resources in a more fine-grained way. This could include wildcards to make it easy to create a very permissive Association file, but it should be possible to lock down the resources that are OK to share. Would you be OK with modifying the design to allow for such an approach? If so, we're happy to close this review as |
Update: I am investigating making 2 modifications to the design.
I will update with more details after my investigation is complete. |
Specifying
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Request and Response HeaderFor multiple sub-domains included from the web app manifest using a same-site entry, we can make use of a request and response header design with no preflight. This allows an origin that was included via the same-site manifest entry to confirm its participation. This doesn't require an association file to be fetched immediately before fetching the resource and would not slow down navigation. This is largely what @reillyeon described above. Example: App window navigates to https://foo.com
The resource can load in the app window without warning UI or being moved to a tab. The response can be The server can either configure a static list of app ids for simplicity or dynamically control the value of |
Hi @LuHuangMSFT thanks for this - we're just reviewing in our TAG plenary call today and we're going to get back to you after we have a chance to think about / discuss more deeply. |
Question - do we need to have the initial |
So I think that the requirement needs to be that the browser needs to know whether something is in app scope before navigating. Any solution that involves finding out at the time is going to introduce latency penalties that are undesirable. For me, that rules out anything that is exclusively CORS-like. Navigation is commonplace and adding an extra round trip to all navigations from an app isn't a great outcome, even if it is only for cross origin navigations (we don't need to add that barrier structurally, even if a lot of applications insist upon it). However, it isn't quite that simple. The app lists what it thinks is in scope, so the point of this design is to confirm. We would start from an assumption that the app is making a correct representation, then confirm that with the app. That isn't CORS-like, that's something new (-ish, the introduction of So I'm of two minds here. I hate the constant addition of stuff to HTTP requests. It's really starting to get out of hand (especially with very long field names, the risk that requests exceed the size of a packet is real and that has serious performance implications). But Reilly's suggestion has real merit. I also see the advantages of following that model of confirmation. @dmurph's concern about two fields is easy to answer, I think: the site likely needs to know who is asking before they answer. Because the answer could depend. Sites could have resources that are acceptably included in multiple apps. The manifest-like approach is also reasonable. A centralized location where you can interrogate an origin about the scopes that can extend to it is OK. I find myself horrified at the complexity of the proposals though. Please, if we go that way, can we focus on what is the minimum possible syntax that will achieve the desired outcome. This works: {
"https://example.com/this-is-an-app/": ["/payments", "/anti-fraud-stuff"],
} (Yes, it is not extensible, but it is replaceable and that is enough.) However, throwing out ideas is not what we need here. What is needed is to ask one question: What is the form of this that site operators are best able to handle? |
From a chat with @LuHuangMSFT and a member of our security team, here is a proposal they were comfortable with. Not sure if this is something you're still OK with @LuHuangMSFT: There are three levels of security for this association:
For Reasoning:
Note this is separate from the filtering discussions, just for security here. Filtering can be handled by the current proposals with the |
Thanks @dmurph. That's representative of what we discussed in that meeting. It is good solution that does not require a request header and I agree with the tiered approach for
Since
only requiring a response header with manifest IDs for Other issues
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@dmurph that sounds encouraging. I'm a little unclear on the site vs. origin thing, but rather than continue the discussion here, can I suggest that you take this back to the explainer and update that? |
I'll make an explainer PR that should offer more clarity. |
Thanks for taking on the feedback. We understand that this is an early review and it will need some more work to integrate the changes. When you get things more settled, we'd be happy to do another view. Closing this for now. |
@martinthomson Could we re-open this review? [1] https://github.com/WICG/manifest-incubations/blob/gh-pages/scope_extensions-explainer.md |
Hola TAG!
I'm requesting a TAG review of scope-extensions.
This document describes a new scope_extensions manifest member that enables web apps to extend their scope to other origins. This allows sites that control multiple subdomains and top level domains to behave as one contiguous web app and also enables web apps to capture user navigations to sites they are affiliated with.
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