BiblioteQ Mac install question, driver not loaded. #349
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Hi, I try to install BiblioteQ 2023.12.30 from latest d.dmg file on Sonoma 14.3.1. macOS. I copy the app file over to Applications folder, I remove App Translocation in Terminal with xattr, and I copy my custom biblioteq.conf file to same Applications folder. Both files have same owner (me) and groups (admin). When trying to connect to my PostgreSQL DB, app says 'Unable to open a database connection with the provided information'. However with same conf file I could connect successfully on a W11 Biblioteq app install. Error log says a driver is not loaded related to Source/biblioteq_c.cc file, line number 2833. User guide says in some cases conf file shall be copied to /, however I could not copy that over either with sudo cp -p command. What am I missing here? I read BQ app could still look for the dmb conf file in some cases, and since it is either not available or does not include DB details, connection attempt drops with error. Could anyone help out kindly? Thanks in advance. ZK |
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I don't include the PQ driver because it involves much work in maintaining the dependencies in Homebrew. Best that you build BQ on your own if you desire the splendi-o-sity of a real database engine. See you. |
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The Windows version includes PQ I think. Lots of work for such a little task, right? I agree. Much work. I tried automating it, however, that's also a lot of work because Homebrew is not consistent with Intel and Apple Silicon. Separate paths. Then there is the Qt project file. A little bit there and more bits there and then every little bit becomes a huge bit. So I don't do it for the release because it may remain inconsistent for others. I simply build BQ on my MacOS and it works because my Homebrew and local project file are correct. |
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You don't need to install it in Applications. I have it on my Desktop. BQ doesn't require special privileges. |
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Hi, thank you for such quick reply! 😊
I would say I am ’superuser’ level, I can tweak, change and more or less understand tech instructions, but could build a package (have not done so fow 30 or so years…).
I use BQ for the family library, and use PQ on a Synology NAS so that family members (and I) could reach DB from different locations.
I read and understand you are overwhelmed, just wonder if you ouwld have any further enthusiasm to make a full build (with PQ driver) like once a year or so roughly.
For minimal individual users I would guess having the very latest features would not be of utmost priority, rather to be able to follow changes like yearly with some simle update steps (schema, application, etc.).
Would you remember perhaps what is the latest Mac BQ build including PQ? I remember I could use the dmg build some time back.
Thank you kindly for you time reading this.
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I don't include the PQ driver because it involves much work in maintaining the dependencies in Homebrew. Best that you build BQ on your own if you desire the splendi-o-sity of a real search engine. See you.
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Yes, Windows version includes PQ luckily, as otherwise I would lose DB reach of many days/weeks of DB polishing…
It is just that not all family members have Windows, but MacOS.
I understand compilation is like a hairpulling activity, it seems no change in that from 30 years ago… 😊
Thank you for confirming it is not my wrong doing of package ’installation’ on Mac, if you had the mood once here and there to compile a full fledge release, many mini users would be grateful I think.
But I know time is money…
Have a nice evening!
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The Windows version includes PQ I think. Lots of work for such a little task, right? I agree. Much work. I tried automating it, however, that's also a lot of work because Homebrew is not consistent with Intel and Apple Silicon. Separate paths. Then there is the Qt project file. A little bit there and more bits there and then every little bit becomes a huge bit. So I don't do it for the release because it may remain inconsistent for others. I simply build BQ on my MacOS and it works because my Homebrew and local project file are correct.
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Yes, thank you, I think the wall I bounced to is that the recent dmg bundles do not handle PQ DBs, 'only' local SQLite.
Thank you kindly for all your answers and clarifications!
Zoltan
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You don't need to install it in Applications. I have it on my Desktop. BQ doesn't require special privileges.
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BQ compiles easily as I've made most of its dependencies optional. Well, on Debian, let's say, I expect that the person performing the compilation is not a cat. Some experience is required, especially if they're on Debian or FreeBSD. Beyond that, and perhaps Windows, it's easy. YAZ is kind of replaced by SRU. PQ requires libpq and libpq requires TLS, etc. I'm going to provide an Apple Silicon release because I will not have Intel MacOS. |
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Yes, Debian and FreeBSD are tricky and need some experience...
Fort he Mac however, I could easily just copy and paste the app and conf files earlier and worked lieka charm in 20 seconds as you say easy...
It was when the build included the PQ driver, so I will now check the latest build with PQ included and deploy that, hopefully it will handle latest schema fine.
I will keep my Intel MacOS for a while.
Thanks again for all the inputs!
Cheers
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BQ compiles easily as I've made most of its dependencies optional. Well, on Debian, let's say, I expect that the person performing the compilation is not a cat. Some experience is required, especially if they're on Debian or FreeBSD. Beyond that, and perhaps Windows, it's easy. YAZ is kind of replaced by SRU. PQ requires libpq and libpq requires TLS, etc.
I'm going to provide an Apple Silicon release because I will not have Intel MacOS.
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Schema-related revisions are referenced in the release notes. https://github.com/textbrowser/biblioteq/blob/master/SQL/postgresql_update_schema.sql That includes 2023. Older releases were removed and are available in GH history logs, somewhere. Will include Intel and Silicon releases for MacOS as long as possible. Silicon is preferred so the Intel version will disappear in the future. |
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Thank you for further details.
Interestingly, 2022.05.30 build works on High Sierra, buti t has this PQ issue on Sonoma 14.3.1.
Anyway, thank you kindly for your kind quick answers really! Perhaps a PQ included build might help some strugglers like I am…
Have a nice week! 😊
Zoltan
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Schema-related revisions are referenced in the release notes.
https://github.com/textbrowser/biblioteq/blob/master/SQL/postgresql_update_schema.sql
That includes 2023. Older releases were removed and are available in GH history logs, somewhere.
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Hi again,
Really sorry for bothering you again, I just tried several dmg packages, but with no success in connecting to the PQ DB.
Would you recall perhaps what was the last dmg MacOS package to which you included the PostgreSQL drivers as well?
I would try to carry on with that version.
Thank you for your attention!
Best regards,
Zoltan
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Thank you for further details.
Interestingly, 2022.05.30 build works on High Sierra, buti t has this PQ issue on Sonoma 14.3.1.
Anyway, thank you kindly for your kind quick answers really! Perhaps a PQ included build might help some strugglers like I am…
Have a nice week! 😊
Zoltan
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Schema-related revisions are referenced in the release notes.
https://github.com/textbrowser/biblioteq/blob/master/SQL/postgresql_update_schema.sql
That includes 2023. Older releases were removed and are available in GH history logs, somewhere.
Will include Intel and Silicon releases for MacOS as long as possible. Silicon is preferred so the Intel version will disappear in the future.
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I don't and if I did I would not recall it because if there was a subsequent release requiring a database revision, the recommended version per your request would not work. |
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Thank you for timely reply, yes that might be a risk however I have a 2011 iMac with 20190530 package still working fine (have not added any items for some time now though...).
Unfotunately that package is not on the list anymore, but you are right it might not work with latest DB schema.
Have a nice day!
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I don't and if I did I would not recall it because if there was a subsequent release requiring a database revision, the recommended version per your request would not work.
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I built the newest version with the newest Qt on an Intel. The install target which is part of the generated make file copies many required libraries. However, some libraries are not copied and these require that I revise the Qt project file to include them and possibly execute otool with them. This may be a problem on Apple Silicon too. Qt warns about this in their macdeployqt documentation. And this is the reason I do not include the PQ libraries. It's a lot of work because Homebrew's structure includes version information in directory names. Whenever a library's version is changed, so is its directory structure. And so, I need to modify the project file. |
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https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/macos-deployment.html As can be seen, a lengthy document inspires a complicated process. This is the work involved in releasing BQ and PQ on MacOS. It requires that I spend many hours in an initial release and one or many hours afterwards. And there is zero guarantee that it will work beyond my computer. So, why? |
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Oh, I can see it is quite a hectic series of steps… Thank you really for bethering with the question!
So what would you suggest?
I use BQ to manage, track and control our wider family (parents,2 brothers) library with I think cca 2-3k books and growing. So far I have added some hundreds only manually.
I chose BQ as it knows PQ and as such I can keep its DB on my NAS with relative ease (steps described on the internet at super user level like I am, and I do not like to keep my things in external clouds…, and family members can reach DB and I can make DB dumps, etc.). I preferred not to use local DB (eg. SQLite) as it would be too vulnerable to any local problems, like PC crashes, etc.
I myself use the Windows BQ version (exe installs) with PQ seemlessly.
Do you tend to keep PQ included tot he Windows versions and make exe from time to time, like every other year or so?
Would you suggest the trying to get some Windows emulation to Mac PCs which some of my family members use?
Shall I/Can I carry on adding more books to PQ DB? Or I would risk losing the timely built DB if and when PQ option would disppear?
These might be too many questions, apologies really, just would be keen to know how to plan, and intention is really NOT to bother you.
And to tell the truth, there is not really any alternatives, for the above purpose BQ is by far the best! 😊
Thank you kindly for your attention!
Best of regards,
Zoltan
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https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/macos-deployment.html
As can be seen, a lengthy document inspires a complicated process. This is the work involved in release BQ and PQ on MacOS.
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Oh yes, sorry, I did things in a rush, sure, just doing in a moment...
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To correct the schema? You need to execute the statements in the included SQL file.
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https://github.com/textbrowser/biblioteq/blob/master/SQL/postgresql_update_schema.sql |
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As for the BQ schema, I erased much of the stuff in the SQL file and retained 2023 and future. |
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I update schemas through the psql command, executing the statements in the SQL file mentioned. |
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The SQLite portion of BQ includes a nicer feature which is not included for PQ because PQ requires administrator knowledge and that is required for PQ and BQ. |
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Just updated the schema, and it works like a charm. Reaches the DB, I could open an item. Superb! 😊
I need to check the Windows versoin as well now, as I think it is only the 20231230 version as the latest one.
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I updated schemas through the psql command, executing the statements in the SQL file mentioned.
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The Windows version I have not released and will not work because of the new fields. You can always build it yourself. |
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I can imagine, but I think you cannot use SQLite approach, if you want to have the DB in your own NAS/Server, allowing some family memebrs to be able to reach the same DB, and also I myself would use Mac OSX or Windows 10/11 instance, depending where I am at...
Could I use SQLite for this busines case? I think I will have to remain with PQ...
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The SQLite portion of BQ includes a nicer feature which is not included for PQ because PQ requires administrator knowledge and that is required for PQ and BQ.
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Sure, got it, I will use the Mac OS version then until the new Windows release… I just opened the Windows version, and it popluated the items, I guess adding new items would be a problem…
But that is amazing you could fix the Mac version! 😊 Thank you very much!
Am not a rich guy, happy to send to you 30-40 EURs for beer… 😊
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The Windows version I have not released and will not work because of the new fields. You can always build it yourself.
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Yes, so far I used the 20231230 schema, as that is the Windows version I used so far.
From now on I will use the Mac Os version for DB management.
Going forward, I would not think this Qt install steps would be of an issue to other dummies like I am, so perhaps this can be a way forward for same Mac OS dummies like me...
I do not know the exists command you proposed, but will check, as I plan to keep my Intel based laptop for a while for sure...
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You'll have seen a reminder that you need to upgrade your schema. It's a basic reminder that doesn't inspect every statement for a particular release so it can be bypassed but if it is that's your fault.
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The Windows version will work because the new database fields are not required by your BQ version. The exists() function is a Qt-ism. |
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OK, thank you, I thought so about the exists(), so will check it in Qt docs...
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The Windows version will work because the new database fields are not required by your BQ version. The exists() function is a Qt-ism.
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Case closed! 😊
Thank you again a whole lot! 😊
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brew install libpq
(You'll have this already but I need a reminder for future people or something.)
https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/libpq