Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 30th September 2023 @ 15:00 UTC

[plowsof]

Location: Libera.chat, #monero-community | Matrix

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Time
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Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction
2. Greetings
3. Community highlights
   • Recent bounty @ https://bounties.monero.social/ Nostr client for Monero Tips OR Zaps?.
   • Nerostr: a Nostr paid relay, but with Monero (new version) - pluja of kycnot.me
   • silverpill shares Mitra update cross-server Monero payments on a federated social network. A bounty would add a tipping feature to it, any support appreciated!
   • anhdres has started a new (mainly) spanish-speaking podcast. Cafe Nero https://linktr.ee/cafemonero https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=CDlQGCVJ8DE
   • Bitmain X5 images released img dot ur - r*ddit thread
   • Istanbul meetup sponsored by localmonero.co Siren and Stnby to attend to present Monero ATM's next milestones (what after pizza box) and also Metronero.
   • Upcoming Jamtis Dynamic View Tag Design Discussion/Poll - jeffro256
   • Monero non-standard fee research - Rucknium
     News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - The Monero Standard - Monero Moon
4. CCS updates | Limite update - geonic | Animated explainer video update - vosto emisio
   a. recanman to take over Monero integrations pt. 3 Merged
   b. Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs Merging soon because 'if not funded in x months - i receive what was raised and consider it as being paid in full' was added
   c. Create Educational Content in Spanish Merged
   d. Selfhosted tor gitea instance of monero source
   e. dangerousfreedom - wallet work
5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2023
   e. Website workgroup
   f. Policy workgroup
   • Response to a Proposal for a REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE
     COUNCIL on the legal tender of euro banknotes and coins
   • the search for a g**gledocs alternative continues. next candidate: https://www.getoutline.com/ Dan/123bob123
     g. Research workgroup
     h. Seraphis Migration workgroup
6. Open ideas time
   Matrix/IRC Lack of proper moderation #899
7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

Logs

15:00:06 <plowsof> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/900

15:00:21 <plowsof> Greetings, hi

15:00:38 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hello

15:00:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gmorning

15:00:44 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey

15:01:00 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^

15:01:48 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.

15:02:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> summer, is over! hope everyone is happy and well, lets discuss some
community highlights while we all arrive

15:03:21 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Hi

15:04:41 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Fruit basket?

15:04:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> https://bounties.monero.social/ has seen some activity lately, mainly
around the nostr client for Monero https://bounties.monero.social/posts/94 ,, i wonder if pluja would be up to
the task (spoiler: he is busy atm) but also shared an update on one of his nostr related projects [Nerostr: a
Nostr paid relay, but with Monero (new version)](https://monero.town/post/648493)

15:05:33 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Ruckniums recent research about fee abnormalities (briefly discussed
yesterday) https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230929#c284802

15:06:21 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> would an explainer at https://rucknium.me/ be beneficial?

15:06:22 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> blog*

15:07:08 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I might do that.

15:08:21 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Bitmain x5 miner seems to have been a disaster, overheating / dusty.
it also can not mine anything other than Monero ( always keep an eye on the #monero-pow:monero.social,
interesting stuff discussed there)

15:08:40 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Bitmain X5 images released [img dot ur](https://imgur.com/a/S03VsWf)
- [r*ddit
thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16txlhq/bitmains_x5_has_been_cracked_open_here_is_whats/)

15:09:17 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> [Upcoming Jamtis Dynamic View Tag Design
Discussion/Poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16uxj28/upcoming_jamtis_dynamic_view_tag_design/) -
jeffro256

15:09:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not even wownero?!

15:09:48 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> this r*ddit thread required some propaganda for "pro dynamic
viewtags" - thankfully tevador rose to the occasion and rbrunner gladly relayed the messages

15:10:13 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> MAYBE townforge gold !

15:10:21 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Nope, only xmr and they might release firmware/sw update

15:10:40 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Firmware fixes smoke?

15:11:00 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down

15:11:18 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down, it would have to
monitor temperatures if it doesn

15:11:24 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down, it would have to
monitor temperatures if it doesn't already

15:11:35 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down, it would have to
monitor temperatures if it doesn't already and bring down clock speed

15:11:47 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds efficient

15:12:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Sidenote: careful/avoid with edits. The log get messy)

15:12:14 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> spanish speaking persons out there - anhdres has you covered with a
new Cafe Nero podcast (links and into video here) Cafe Nero https://linktr.ee/cafemonero
https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=CDlQGCVJ8DE

15:12:46 <m-relay> <p​luja:matrix.org> Hey, indeed I was taking a look at how this could be done yesterday and
I might give it a shot soon, but I can't promise anything yet... :)

15:12:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We need a list of podcasts coming our of community

15:13:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> pluja of (kycnot.me, whishper.net, blogo.site, the new nerostr,
awesome-privacy...) :slau

15:13:35 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Directory ?

15:13:41 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 🫡

15:14:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stack wallet has stack cast etc

15:14:46 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Google chromecast?

15:15:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats -policy (had to)

15:15:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> and silverpill , with Mitra ,  answered(answering) questions about it
in #monero-community-dev:monero.social [Mitra
update](https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra/releases/tag/v1.36.0)

15:16:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> active newsletters we have [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) -
[The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)

15:17:04 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> anything else we would like to mention?

15:18:23 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah yes, bp++ new price of 32k as its a greatly expanded paper (need
to get the ball rolling on that asap)

15:18:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The meetup

15:18:44 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cheap

15:18:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> oh ofcourse, Siren and Stnby attending it. [Istanbul meetup sponsored
by
localmonero.co](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16q4k21/istanbul_meetup_sponsored_by_localmoneroco/)
Siren and Stnby to attend to present Monero ATM's next milestones (what after pizza box) and also Metronero.

15:19:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Istanbul meetup sponsored by localmonero.co Siren and Stnby to
attend to present Monero ATM's next milestones (what after pizza box) and also Metronero.

15:19:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 2nd of October

15:19:46 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Alt exposed

15:20:24 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> aaaand new release / tag iminent .. either today tomorrow or soon(tm)

15:20:32 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> imminent

15:21:10 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> right, shall we move on to the ccs updates. i see vostoemisio is
here!

15:21:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i hear you released a video or something

15:22:10 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> hehe, we released it yesterday, over 5k views already on X

15:22:28 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> https://youtu.be/vjn9l3hG4ME?si=b5n6WWwnxlTRHtSM

15:23:11 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Great feedback so far, if anyone have any input or ideas for
improvement please let me know

15:23:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> nice work 👍️ , seems to have completed your open CCS
https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/VOSTOEMISIO-TailEmission-Concept-Video.html 🫡 (pending the open source of
the files and such)

15:24:16 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> We've already cleaned up the source files, I can upload them
later today

15:24:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I haven't watched yet 🙈

15:25:45 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> "miners would be forced to raise tx fees". I don't agree with
this statement. Miners don't set fees. See Theorem 1 of "Monopoly without a Monopolist"

15:26:19 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Thanks, Vosto

15:26:22 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> pending the reception of this then, we could circle back round and
tackle the older proposal https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html (a discussion
for another day/meeting) e.g. savandra vs vosto to resume/take over - or repurpose funds toward another
animated proposal

15:27:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> checking my calandar, there should be an oscar nominated movie
[Limite update](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_22460) -
geonic

15:28:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Voice message.ogg

15:28:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Accident ^

15:29:18 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I dont like the  comment about the community in the update

15:29:23 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Need stay on topic with update

15:29:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Same.

15:30:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > On a not so grateful note, I'd like to add that since opening
this proposal, I've been on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment, abuse, libel and doxxing --
threatened and actual -- by a group of vindictive downvoters, some of whom are in this thread. These purported
"community members" are actively working against the wishes of the donors who supported the proposal. I
v<clipped message>

15:30:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> iew this behavior as a long-term threat to the CCS and hope some
remedial action is taken.

15:30:59 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not warranted tbh

15:32:04 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Heres my update, show me the money

15:32:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also called for banning of people who scrutinize in progress ccs
proposals.

15:33:03 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i dont think geonic is here atm , we can jump into the bans issue
later on

15:33:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> id just like to make nite

15:33:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Note, or clarify

15:34:36 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks ! nowww recapping the random merges on a tuesday

15:34:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> That in progress ccs proposals arent "do whatever you want"
periods.. youre expected to deliver, or keep us updated etc, no?

15:34:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> a. [recanman to take over Monero integrations pt.
3](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402) Merged - GLHF

15:35:09 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Thank you. It's going well so far. I'll send a progress update
soon.

15:35:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Purgatory ccs are all technically "in progress"

15:35:39 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> do you feel confident about the 2nd milestone,, the gateway work?

15:36:08 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I've looked into it, and it is not too hard.

15:36:33 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> recanmann to completed one of the oldest purgatory / in progress ccs'

15:36:42 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I haven't worked with wordpress too much, but it shouldn't be too
hard to set it up locally and play around with it

15:36:54 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Was created on a scroll

15:37:04 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its that old

15:37:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i have no new updates to present for any of the others btw sadly ..
(haveno back end / not ccs related is moving at a nice pace with updates)

15:37:58 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sdk ?

15:38:10 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> keep us updated with your progress recanmann 🙏

15:38:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> valldrac: is active / probably has updates to share yes (molly itself
is being updated with new features such as multi device support etc)

15:39:18 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And edit message

15:39:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Multidevice support is a signal feature, no?

15:39:25 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Winrar *

15:39:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> That too

15:39:37 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> it was recently just added to molly

15:39:54 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't think so, but I've never used signal

15:39:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> moving on with the tuesday night merge list:

15:40:04 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> b. [Add retroactive funding proposal for
FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403)  Merging soon because
'if not funded in x months - i receive what was raised and consider it as being paid in full' was added

15:40:14 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> kayabanever has added that, so it will be merged soon(tm)

15:40:29 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> he added a period of 2 months

15:41:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> c. [Create Educational Content in
Spanish](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/406)   Merged for funding @
https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/

15:42:23 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> GL Lovera 🙏

15:42:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sounds good 2 me

15:42:42 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yep

15:43:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> d. [Selfhosted tor gitea instance of monero
source](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408)

15:43:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> has added a comment https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-
proposals/-/merge_requests/408#note_22516

15:43:12 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 4rkal has been hosting the instance already since posting the
proposal

15:43:28 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't think it should be funded IMO

15:44:06 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> There are already thousands of decentralized mirrors - that is
called git

15:44:09 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> perhaps he could address the concerns i raised in my comment, i
personally don't see it as being useful

15:45:00 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Possibly useful things: Practical PGP-based web of trust,
checking how many commits to the monero repo are signed (is it all?), researching ways to make sure no commits
are missing.

15:45:35 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Someone needs to get monero off proprietary software

15:45:47 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Pretty much impossible

15:45:52 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> For the majority of users

15:45:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have hashes up to a certain point/state i guess they could be...
signed

15:46:50 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So the og proposal was started because of tornado cash and github
deleting devs

15:47:53 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> if your opinion of this ccs is negative - could it be changed to an
updoot? if yes, do you have any suggestions to change it? if no then please vote to close . i do commend 4rkal
for the honest milestone/payout structure and hosting it already

15:48:07 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I vote to close

15:48:32 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I vote to close. It's a nice idea but impractical in practice -
we are putting trust in a person for hosting the decentralized mirror

15:48:38 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I vote to close. It's a nice idea but impractical in practice -
we are putting trust in a (random) person for hosting the decentralized mirror

15:48:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 4rkal also received a double bounties payout - and refunded the money
to all involved , so he's an honest person (long story dont ask)

15:48:54 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> And the notion of git being decentralized already...

15:48:55 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> If it was up to me I would have moved all monero repos off GitHub. Not
a good idea to have a privacy project on GitHub. I do understand that for some reason it has been decided to
host them on GitHub. So what I'm proposing is a way to interact with the code (view clone etc) in a Foss
censorship resistant manor. I do understand the concerns about trust and am open to suggestions.

15:49:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> There was a long discussion about moving away from github

15:49:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Should read that first

15:49:45 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tldr

15:49:48 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> ^

15:50:57 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> This isn't the "long discussion", but some info on "backups":
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220809#c131094

15:51:31 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks Rucknium

15:51:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236

15:52:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks ofrnxmr, 4rkal can read and respond to suggestions following
this meeting.  with 8 minutes left (with another proposal and a hot topic to cover)

15:52:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> e. [dangerousfreedom - wallet
work](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/409)

15:53:25 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Say github rm -rf monero there is a backup/mirror?

15:53:37 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> previous ccs completed / payout requested (i assume waiting for a
review of sorts / 'we're pleased' from the workgroup rbrunner .. and then to handle the new one

15:53:50 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> https://git.wownero.com/monero-project/monero

15:55:30 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Unrelated note, https://lbsrc.getmonero.org is down

15:55:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> previous ccs update rbrunner https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-
project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377#note_22413

15:55:54 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I say merge, his work is very much needed.

15:56:16 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cloudflare

15:56:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And -dev

15:56:40 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Especially with the seraphis wallet PoC

15:57:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the report, moving quickly on, a policy update - [Response
to a Proposal for a REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE

15:57:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> COUNCIL on the legal tender of euro banknotes and
coins](https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13429-Clarifying-the-legal-
tender-status-of-euro-banknotes-and-coins/F3436571_en)   #monero-policy:monero.social ,,, Dan r/dark (Is not
the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ) has also been working on degoogling things for them so they can produce
the a<clipped message>

15:57:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> bove types of papers using e.g. onlyoffice

15:58:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yest

15:58:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> finally, bans,     https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/899

15:58:26 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Waiting on midi too test

15:58:38 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This will be an interesting topic to discuss

15:58:43 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Matrix/IRC Lack of proper moderation^

15:59:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I think my post says enough

15:59:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> now, 2 or 3 days ago the situation came to a head , and people skept
on it, and it seems to be civil now? is my understanding correct?

15:59:31 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Think so

15:59:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> When it comes to moderation vs administration, i find a lot of
mods to be opportunistic.

16:00:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> But it come to me making an issue doe something to be done

16:00:17 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> But it come to me making an issue for something to be done

16:00:52 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Beside plowsof there isnt consistent mods in rooms

16:00:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its been a thing for a long time. Mostly from those with the most
power

16:01:33 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And then banning in reso room :/

16:01:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> They don't participate, and but happily jump on the banhammer if
someone they dont like speaks up

16:02:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example from months ago "does anybody mind if i ban endogenic?"
From an admin that doesnt even attend meetings or reply to developers DM's

16:02:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i ban kitty without warning / unban apologise - then do nothing other
times

16:02:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Imo admins should admin. Mods should mod

16:03:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Admins shouldnt moderate groups they arent even active in

16:03:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And most of all, mods should put their username in the ban reason
when using banhammer

16:04:16 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Or ban from gui

16:04:27 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> That shows names

16:05:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> we have plenty of admin issues (bad history settings in maby
rooms, no logging setup, no bridges) etc

16:05:33 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats the other thing why isnt resolutions logged?

16:05:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because charuto "said no bridges allowed"

16:06:20 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So no logs and no history

16:06:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, also it means no irc users allowed

16:06:41 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yep

16:07:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Youd think other mods would attend this meeting

16:07:14 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> this topic is open ended/on-going , i think we can end the meeting
soon/here after going over a bit

16:07:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes sir. Can end meeting

16:07:49 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sleepy time

16:07:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Point here: we need to select admins and their duties, mods and
their duties, and change them when necessary

16:08:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We have some rooms admin by dead accounts

16:08:23 <plowsof> thanks all for attending ^ nioc has or has not renamed to something else

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