Walkability options for 1000 cities challenge #199
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Re: option 1 above, I just want to clarify, we can still calculate our traditional 'within city walkability index', its just the 'between city' one that is conceptually challenging because the reference group of cities is unstable shifting. I think option 1 is a good choice, because it is easy to implement, allows us to move forward, and when someone wants to calculate 'between city' walkability they can (just not part of the software workflow, at least for now) |
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Agree! I will vote for option 1 as well, with the within-city walkability index, which is more straightforward and fits into our current method pipeline for indicators calculation. Looking at the policy threshold would require much more additional work and exploratory studies, and may be hard to standardize ...... |
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Option 1 is by far the most feasible. My vote goes to Option 1 as well. |
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I think option 1 makes the most sense as well. |
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Hi @shiqin-liu @ecerin @gboeing --- thanks for the above. We had a discussion with rest of @global-healthy-liveable-cities/ghscic-study-executive this morning and Billie suggested (and others seemed to agree) removing walkability index altogether (but retaining component measures). Later, new measures of walkable neighbourhoods could be added. Jonathan just e-mailed me with a different proposal, which maybe we should consider:
I responded with the following:
As I indicated, I am not sure what the best approach is -- but Jonathan's suggestion is the easiest to implement so I thought it worth suggesting. The gist is, instead of doing z-scores based on group average, we set the comparison value for each sub-indicator as a value matching the 25-city average from our initial study, representing walkability (in terms of this traditional walkability index) in an 'average city'. What do you think? I'll try to get the others on here to get their perspectives too. |
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Hi Carl and all, |
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Thanks @mdlowe -- I think we can assume its not a good benchmark, just an 'average' one. The assumption about that is, being above average is 'relatively good', and vice versa. This is inline with how this particular measure has been traditionally calculated and interpreted. I think we agree, there is a place for new additional measures that may be more policy-relevant (ie. a score for meeting specific health and/or policy-related targets). @global-healthy-liveable-cities/ghscic-study-executive - I need sign off on our approach to walkability still
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Hi Carl and others,
I think it would be useful to postpone the creation of the walkability index (between-city comparison) until we have a good representation of cities across two dimensions: population density and country income level.
Best wishes,
Ester
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I vote for option 3.
Cheers,
Ester
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Thanks @global-healthy-liveable-cities/ghscic-study-executive; for now I've removed the between city walkability comparisons in the analysis stage, so this issue is at least partially resolved for now. I haven't updated the scorecard reporting for this change, but we can decide on how to approach that later. I didn't remove 'within-city walkability' at this stage (we can later), but I think there was broad concensus on removing between-city walkability so at least that is done. |
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Hi @carlhiggs and all! Thanks for sharing this discussion with me. I have tested the tool for Helsinki, Finland and indeed the between-city comparison does not make sense from our perspective at this stage. I modified the tool a bit like "Option 1" when running the analysis for Helsinki, as I did not download the data for the 25 cities. I'm now planning to expand my tests to other Finnish cities. I can imagine that also others who start to test the tool for their region want to first explore the separate indicators for one city / a set of selected cities. In that sense it's good if the tool is modular from the user's perspective (starting from Option 1), and the city comparison can be the added on later in a meaningful way (~Option 2 / Option 3?). In addition to global comparisons, I see a need for comparing similar-sized cities, or "regional city buckets" (e.g., across Nordics - regions where similar thresholds make sense). Thanks again for developing these tools :) /Vuokko |
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I've described elsewhere how our current code for spatial indicators is heavily focused on calculation of a walkability index relative to all cities, and that this is problematic now that we seek to generalise our process beyond the preliminary 25 city to 1000+ cities (#136) .
To help start our discussion of this, here are three options --- the first being my recommended one:
1. Present the respective indicators for street connectivity, dwelling density and access to a range of services and amenities ----- but don't calculate the composite score(s)
2. Identify policy relevant thresholds, and use these as more meaningful benchmarks using essentially the same formula otherwise
3. Identify policy relevant thresholds, and use these as more meaningful benchmark and use these in a revised formulation that better accounts for non-linear polarity
(eg more density not necessarily always better) and non-normal distribution (z-score calculation essentially assumes normal distribution, and the implications/influence of non-normal and distinct distributions of component indicators should also be considered for revised method)
What do you think @global-healthy-liveable-cities/ghscic-study-executive ?
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