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Integrate "Jeff Phrasing" system #104

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YannCebron opened this issue Nov 19, 2022 · 10 comments
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Integrate "Jeff Phrasing" system #104

YannCebron opened this issue Nov 19, 2022 · 10 comments

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@YannCebron
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https://github.com/jthlim/jeff-phrasing

Why did I file this as special request instead of just building a custom lesson?

  1. It's a Python dict, so I'd need to generate all possibilities programmatically (or spend about 32 days writing 'em down manually)
  2. Just putting all possibilities down in one or more lessons sorted alphabetically doesn't seem like a good strategy to learn this system

So, the question/feature request is basically about helping with these two issues.

Is there some viable strategy that could help teaching all 2837982 possibilities step-by-step, in a useful/ready-to-apply-to-regular-use-from-the-beginning-way? Or some group of related lessons that could teach certain aspects of the system? Maybe this could even be generalized and applied to other similar systems, like Jade GG (for which https://didoesdigital.com/typey-type/lessons/drills/jade-gg-phrasing-briefs/ already exists, but IMHO it suffers from issue 2))

@jthlim
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jthlim commented Nov 19, 2022

In absence of specific training, I'd recommend using tapey-tape or the embedded steno paper tape to help identify how to stroke these as you do whatever you're normally doing.

The suggestions window will show strokes too, but is definitely not as efficient to review:

tapey-tape:
Screenshot 2022-11-19 at 10 00 17 PM

embedded steno tape:
Screenshot 2022-11-19 at 10 00 53 PM

Plover suggestions:
Screenshot 2022-11-19 at 9 59 57 PM

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jthlim commented Nov 19, 2022

Regarding the best way to learn it -- everyone learns differently, but I'd recommend starting off with just pronoun + can/do/shall/would and pronoun + single verb combinations. More than that will likely be too much cognitive overhead. Once you get used to those, you can string together more.

@didoesdigital
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Happy to add a lesson collection. Perhaps first lesson of the collection is pronoun + can/do/shall/would and second lesson is pronoun + single verb combinations. We could aim for just enough phrases to cover each word from each part once eg “I can”, “we shall”, “he would” (for the smaller lessons). Maybe prioritising phrases by frequency somehow?

Just need a list of words and their strokes.

@jthlim
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jthlim commented Nov 28, 2022

@YannCebron did you want to put this list together? or shall I?

@YannCebron
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I'll try to propose something by this weekend

@YannCebron
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shared some generated sheets with @didoesdigital via DM

@didoesdigital
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Ah! Sorry I missed this! A failure of both my GitHub notification settings and Discord notification settings 🤦‍♀️ I think we can make the lessons a little shorter each, about 50–300 words but otherwise this is a good start.

@YannCebron
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YannCebron commented Feb 24, 2023

WIP https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DAgKyB1jdObHOQCu4ryVtOXzEJggHeorsrrK4UJiqLs/edit#gid=0 any feedback or ideas are welcome

published the generator (hacky!) https://github.com/YannCebron/jeff-phrasing-generator

@didoesdigital
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@YannCebron @jthlim I'm noodling with some ideas for a phrasing game I'd love your input on: #126

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#126 would be awesome indeed, that would be the "ultimate" training generator (I think I made a somewhat similar proposal in DM)

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